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2021 NCAA Men’s Day 2 Ups/Downs: Cal Could Outscore Texas By 60 In Pool

2021 NCAA MEN’S SWIMMING & DIVING CHAMPIONSHIPS

  • When: Wednesday, March 24 – Saturday, March 27, 2021
  • Where: Greensboro Aquatic Center / Greensboro, NC (Eastern Time Zone)
  • Prelims 10 AM/ Finals 6 PM (Local Time)
  • Short course yards (SCY) format
  • Defending champion: Cal (1x) – 2019 results
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For those unfamiliar with swimming terminology, the concept of “Ups” and “Downs” is a good way to track which teams performed best at prelims. In prelims, swimmers qualify for one of three finals heats: the top 8 finishers make the A final, places 9 through 16 the B final and places 17 through 24 the C final. In finals, swimmers are locked into their respective final, meaning a swimmer in the B heat (spots 9-16) can only place as high as 9th or as low as 16th, even if they put up the fastest or slowest time of any heat in the final.

With that in mind, we’ll be tracking “Ups,” “Mids” and “Downs” after each prelims session. “Up” refers to swimmers in the A final, “Mid” to swimmers in the B final and “Down” to swimmers in the C final.

The California Golden Bears lead the way in total A finalists (6), total qualified scorers (10) and in projected prelims points (122) coming out of day 2 heats.

In what is expected to be a spirited Cal/Texas battle for the team title, Texas took round 1 in last night’s 800 free relay. But Cal struck back hard this morning, qualifying twice as many A finalists (6) as Texas did (3).

Neither day’s result is particularly surprising. Texas is always strong in the 800 free relay and was expected to win last night. This morning’s events generally favor Cal, generally loaded in the 50 free and strong in the IMs. Still, the disparity between the two teams was clear this morning, and Cal should take over the points lead tonight. The meet is far from over, though, as Texas has some of its best events (200 free, 400 IM) coming up tomorrow.

Texas should also add some diving scoring this afternoon – we’d expect at least two of the four Longhorn divers to score significant points on 1-meter today, including the title favorite Jordan Windle. Still, Cal is seeded to outscore Texas by 62 tonight – that should safely cover Texas’s diving advantage unless the Longhorns can put 3 divers into the A final and score a fourth.

The other piece not included yet: relays. Tonight is a busy night of relays, opening with the 200 free relay (Cal is probably favored here, especially with the way Ryan Hoffer and Bjorn Seeliger swam this morning) and closing with the 400 medley relay (we projected a pretty close race, though we gave Texas the edge).

CURRENT SCORES (THROUGH DAY ONE)

  1. Texas 40
  2. California 34
  3. Texas A&M 32
  4. Florida 30
  5. NC State 28
  6. Georgia 26
  7. Stanford 24
  8. Louisville 22
  9. Indiana 18
  10. Virginia Tech 14
  11. Michigan 12
  12. Arizona 10
  13. Virginia 8
  14. Ohio St 6
  15. Missouri 4
  16. Notre Dame 2

DAY 2 UPS/DOWNS

Credit to Andrew Mering for running the numbers.

Not including: 1-meter diving, 200 free relay, 400 medley relay

All 500 Free 200 IM 50 Free
Cal 6/4 2/1 2/3 2/0
Texas 3/5 1/2 1/3 1/0
Florida 3/4 2/2 0/1 1/1
Georgia 3/0 1/0 1/0 1/0
Arizona 2/0 1/0 1/0 0/0
Michigan 1/2 0/1 0/0 1/1
NC State 1/1 1/0 0/0 0/1
Georgia Tech 1/0 0/0 1/0 0/0
Mizzou 1/0 0/0 1/0 0/0
Texas A&M 1/0 0/0 1/0 0/0
Virginia Tech 1/0 0/0 0/0 1/0
Pittsburgh 1/0 0/0 0/0 1/0
Stanford 0/1 0/1 0/0 0/0
Notre Dame 0/1 0/1 0/0 0/0
Ohio State 0/1 0/0 0/1 0/0
Utah 0/1 0/0 0/0 0/1
LSU 0/1 0/0 0/0 0/1
Indiana 0/1 0/0 0/0 0/1
Virginia 0/1 0/0 0/0 0/1
Florida State 0/1 0/0 0/0 0/1

Day 2 SCORED PRELIMS

Not including: 1-meter diving, 200 free relay, 400 medley relay

Rank Team Day 2 Prelims
1 Cal 122
2 Florida 60
3 Texas 60
4 Georgia 50
5 Arizona 28.5
6 Michigan 19
7 Texas A&M 17
8 Georgia Tech 14.5
9 Virginia Tech 14
10 NC State 13
11 Mizzou 11.5
12 Pittsburgh 11
13 Notre Dame 9
14 LSU 9
15 Stanford 6
16 Indiana 5.5
17 Virginia 5.5
18 Ohio State 4.5
19 Utah 3
20 Florida State 2

DAY 2 SCORED PRELIMS BREAKDOWN BY EVENT

Cal Florida Texas Georgia Arizona Michigan Texas A&M GT VT NC State Mizzou PITT ND LSU Stanford Indiana UVA Ohio State Utah Florida St
500 Free 33 35 21 20 17 2 0 0 0 12 0 0 9 0 6 0 0 0 0 0
200 IM 53 3 27 13 11.5 0 17 14.5 0 0 11.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.5 0 0
50 Free 36 22 12 17 0 17 0 0 14 1 0 11 0 9 0 5.5 5.5 0 3 2

 

SCORED PRELIMS + CURRENT SCORES

Not including: 1-meter diving, 200 free relay, 400 medley relay

Rank Team Projected Total Day 2 Prelims Day 1 Actual
1 Cal 156 122 34
2 Texas 100 60 40
3 Florida 90 60 30
4 Georgia 76 50 26
5 Texas A&M 49 17 32
6 NC State 41 13 28
7 Arizona 38.5 28.5 10
8 Michigan 31 19 12
9 Stanford 30 6 24
10 Virginia Tech 28 14 14
11 Indiana 23.5 5.5 18
12 Louisville 22 0 22
13 Mizzou 15.5 11.5 4
14 Georgia Tech 14.5 14.5 0
15 Virginia 13.5 5.5 8
16 Pittsburgh 11 11 0
17 Notre Dame 11 9 2
18 Ohio State 10.5 4.5 6
19 LSU 9 9 0
20 Utah 3 3 0
20 Florida State 2 2 0

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Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

Cal is the best swimming school. But Texas diving!! Perhaps baseball and soccer scores should be combined too, because they both play on grass. smh

SwimFani
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

Texas is smashing in the diving pool versus Cal! Wow. I believe ole Eddie will pull this one out even with Cal looking very tough through the first 2 sessions.

Horninco
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

Lazy logic. Do they seperate Track and Field? You can cry all you want but Cal chooses not to field a competitive diving team. If they want to win/lose on swimming alone that’s fine, but nobody makes them not have divers. They all compete under the same rules.

Ken in Tokyo
Reply to  Horninco
3 years ago

ncaa is whack. It’s a disrespect to both swimmers and divers individually. Imagine your team waiting for their season outcome based on… ANOTHER SPORT entirely.

Horninco
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

Everybody plays by the same rules

Guess what? If texas didn’t recruit divers then they would more scholarships for SWIMMERS

You probably hate when your favorite football teams wins on a last second field goal huh?

The NCAA isn’t “whack”

It’s just you

JeahBrah
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

So fun to see this sentiment expressed every year. All schools can distribute their 9.9 scholarships as they see fit. If Texas hadn’t recruited Jordan Windle, maybe they would have had another scholarship available to bring in a Ryan Hoffer or a Sean Grieshop, who score about the same number of points but in the pool.

small bird
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

Tired of this argument. Swim & Dive teams get 9.9 scholarships. Coach’s job is to best allocate resources to turn those scholarships into championships. Like Hornico said, everyone’s got the same rules (except Ivy league teams 😉 ).

Enchanted rock
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

The is no stand alone “swimming” competition sanctioned by the ncaa. Come on guys, are we still doing this?

BearlyBreathing
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

We have this debate every year.
Someday I will figure out how to post an amusing graphic to this effect.

SwimFani
3 years ago

Tennessee will be under 3 mins in the 400 Medley guaranteed!!!! (At the 375)

Reddoor
3 years ago

The headline “Cal could outscore Texas by 60 in the pool” is an attack on the Texas Team, its divers, and a minimization of divers in general. Why the intentional bashing? What is the gain? I have never seen a TRack and Field Site or Pub glorify such a slanted headline, ie, Oregon won the Outdoor Track and Field Nationals BUT only because they have great Hammer Thowers or great High Jumpers or any other discpline in the field! It is a surprise UT has divers and Cal chose only swimmers? By the way, I didnt attend UT and wasnt a diver. Obviously, Cal has great swimmers and should be recognized as such but why at the deteriment of another… Read more »

Last edited 3 years ago by Reddoor
Admin
Reply to  Reddoor
3 years ago

Wow, that’s a mouthful. I’ll clear it up for you real quickly:

“This report is about swimming, because diving prelims run after the conclusion of swimming prelims, and this report was done on the basis of results of swimming prelims.”

HTH.

Here’s the diving update: https://staging.swimswam.com/2021-ncaa-mens-championships-texas-adds-34-prelims-points-after-diving/

Ken in Tokyo
Reply to  Braden Keith
3 years ago

In related news, baseball and football scores to be combined because they both play on grass. NCAA is whack.

Admin
Reply to  Ken in Tokyo
3 years ago

Why y’all trying to make all the “didn’t go to UT, not a diver” people hate me?

Maybe I’ll just give them your email addresses to drop these bombs in.

PsychoDad
3 years ago

All I know I already had two minor heart attacks (after Katz and Kibler’s swims) and we are not even half way. Texas needs relays and divers to show up, or else…

Psufan
3 years ago

Up votes if you think Kibler swims 200 free relay, downvotes if he skips it to focus on the 500

Camelboar
Reply to  Psufan
3 years ago

Fun question, Kibler took his 500 out in 1:36. Does anyone think he slowed down intentionally in the last 200 yards where he went 26’s, or did he die?

Horninco
Reply to  Camelboar
3 years ago

Hopefully he backed off!!

BearlyBreathing
3 years ago

– Who leads off Cal’s 400 MR?
– Who besides Hoffer and Seeliger on their 200 FR?

J Ryan
Reply to  BearlyBreathing
3 years ago

Nate Biondi and Daniel Carr

Horninco
3 years ago

End of Day 2: texas 216 Cal 225

I had predicted 205-239 before the meet, and had Texas winning by 2. So ahead of schedule from my end.

Tomek
3 years ago

Texas added 2 up 1 down in 1 meter platform

PK Doesn't Like His Long Name
Reply to  Tomek
3 years ago

I know we are pretty hard on diving here, but I just want to say that 1 meter platform would be the WORST event ever.

DMSWIM
Reply to  PK Doesn't Like His Long Name
3 years ago

I feel like there would be four dives–front dive, back dive, single front flip, and single back flip.

JP input is too short
Reply to  DMSWIM
3 years ago

Imagine the DD for a double flip.

Bay City Tex
Reply to  DMSWIM
3 years ago

It would make the dives with handstands very interesting!

Tomek
Reply to  Tomek
3 years ago

B final did not help Texas much last place 1 point

JP input is too short
Reply to  Tomek
3 years ago

UT with a 7 and a 16 so lots of room to move up there, Cal with 2 1s so lot of room to move down – not that I expect Hoffer to end up anywhere but the top after that morning swim.

Camelboar
Reply to  JP input is too short
3 years ago

I agree, let’s see what happens tonight. if Cal has a bad night that could mean trouble considering these predictions are based on their guys staying in the top spots.

swimapologist
Reply to  Camelboar
3 years ago

Yeah, but if Texas has a bad night that means the meet is over.

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