Harvard women are set to win their first Ivy title since 2019, while Yale and Penn are battling for second, both well clear of 4th-place Princeton. Stock photo via The Ivy League
For those unfamiliar with swimming terminology, the concept of “Ups” and “Downs” is a good way to track which teams performed best at prelims. In prelims, swimmers qualify for one of three finals heats: the top 8 finishers make the A final, places 9 through 16 the B final and places 17 through 24 the C final. In finals, swimmers are locked into their respective final, meaning a swimmer in the B heat (spots 9-16) can only place as high as 9th or as low as 16th, even if they put up the fastest or slowest time of any heat in the final.
With that in mind, we’ll be tracking “Ups,” “Mids” and “Downs” after each prelims session. “Up” refers to swimmers in the A final, “Mid” to swimmers in the B final and “Down” to swimmers in the C final.
Brown had another strong morning, gaining 20 spots in Day 4 finals. Yale and Penn, locked in a tight battle for second place, each scored 9 A-final slots. Harvard came away with 13 A splashes, including 6 in of the top-8 in tonight’s diving event.
Princeton, Columbia, and Cornell have underperformed to the tune of -113, -109, and -184 points, respectively. The Tigers will be excluded from the top-three teams for the first time since 1996.
Women’s Ups/Mids/Downs – Day 4 (Including 1650 free seedings and diving)
Team
Up
Mid
Down
Total
Brown
4
10
6
20
Columbia
2
5
8
15
Cornell
2
3
9
14
Dartmouth
2
3
5
10
Harvard
13
9
1
23
Penn
9
8
2
19
Princeton
7
5
5
17
Yale
9
5
8
22
1650 Free
Team
Up
Mid
Down
Total
Brown
2
2
1
5
Columbia
0
0
1
1
Cornell
0
1
0
1
Dartmouth
0
2
1
3
Harvard
1
1
0
2
Penn
3
2
0
5
Princeton
2
0
2
4
Yale
0
0
2
2
200 Back
Team
Up
Mid
Down
Total
Brown
0
2
1
3
Columbia
2
0
2
4
Cornell
0
1
3
4
Dartmouth
0
1
1
2
Harvard
1
3
0
4
Penn
1
0
1
2
Princeton
2
0
0
2
Yale
2
1
0
3
100 Free
Team
Up
Mid
Down
Total
Brown
0
2
0
2
Columbia
0
1
2
3
Cornell
0
1
1
2
Dartmouth
1
0
1
2
Harvard
1
1
1
3
Penn
2
0
0
2
Princeton
1
2
1
4
Yale
3
1
2
6
200 Breast
Team
Up
Mid
Down
Total
Brown
1
1
1
3
Columbia
0
1
2
3
Cornell
0
0
3
3
Dartmouth
0
0
2
2
Harvard
2
1
0
3
Penn
2
3
0
5
Princeton
1
1
0
2
Yale
2
1
0
3
200 Fly
Team
Up
Mid
Down
Total
Brown
1
2
1
4
Columbia
0
2
1
3
Cornell
0
0
2
2
Dartmouth
1
0
0
1
Harvard
2
1
0
3
Penn
1
2
0
3
Princeton
1
1
1
3
Yale
2
0
0
2
3-Meter Diving
Team
Up
Mid
Down
Total
Brown
0
1
2
3
Columbia
0
1
0
1
Cornell
2
0
0
2
Dartmouth
0
0
0
0
Harvard
6
2
0
8
Penn
0
1
1
2
Princeton
0
1
1
2
Yale
0
2
4
6
Projected Standings
Team
Day 3 Actual
Day 4 Prelims
Projected Score
Versus Psych
Brown
619
313
932
-39
Columbia
480.5
205
685.5
-184.5
Cornell
340
186
526
-109
Dartmouth
411
156
567
+173
Harvard
956.5
565
1521.5
+106.5
Penn
810
414.5
1224.5
+72
Princeton
756
333.5
1089.5
-113
Yale
821
406
1227
+28
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hypermobile ankles
2 years ago
disappointing for princeton. looks like they didn’t even fill a full ivy team this year – wonder if just a consequence of the pandemic?
Lots of women have quit due to conflicts with the coaching staff/toxic culture. Unfortunately, the storm has been brewing for awhile and doesn’t seem close to stopping now. Big changes need to be made to the program or else it’s going to continue moving downhill….even alumni are concerned
this narrative seems incredibly misinformed. claiming the team has “toxic culture” seem like a speculation at best–if there were such thing as a “toxic culture” we’d be seeing more transfers out of princeton to other teams. the fact that girls are just straight-up quitting instead of transferring seems more a reflection on them than their former team. college swimming is difficult for a number of reasons–there are likely many reasons why these girls chose to quit, toxic culture not being one.
The coaching staff has always these girls like expendable athletes and not people, now people are starting to pay attention. I bet they wish the pandemic was the reason for this.
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disappointing for princeton. looks like they didn’t even fill a full ivy team this year – wonder if just a consequence of the pandemic?
No— I believe a handful of people on the women’s team decided to quit due to reasons unrelated to the pandemic. Quite a shame.
Lots of women have quit due to conflicts with the coaching staff/toxic culture. Unfortunately, the storm has been brewing for awhile and doesn’t seem close to stopping now. Big changes need to be made to the program or else it’s going to continue moving downhill….even alumni are concerned
this narrative seems incredibly misinformed. claiming the team has “toxic culture” seem like a speculation at best–if there were such thing as a “toxic culture” we’d be seeing more transfers out of princeton to other teams. the fact that girls are just straight-up quitting instead of transferring seems more a reflection on them than their former team. college swimming is difficult for a number of reasons–there are likely many reasons why these girls chose to quit, toxic culture not being one.
The coaching staff has always these girls like expendable athletes and not people, now people are starting to pay attention. I bet they wish the pandemic was the reason for this.
holy efff Harvard makes Princeton sick