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8+ Questions Still Remaining About The Suspension Of Notre Dame Men’s Swimming

The Notre Dame men’s swimming program has been suspended for a minimum of one academic year after an investigation into gambling, the school announced yesterday.

The school announced in June that an outside law firm would be investigating the men’s program. Sources say that the investigation has been ongoing at least since January and from what it sounds like, the swimmers practically ran their own sportsbook.

Link To Full School Statement

Here are some of the top questions that remain after the announcement:

  1. What was the scale of the dollars involved?
    • NCAA rules indicate different levels of severity depending on the type of sport(s) and dollar amount(s) of the betting. More severe punishments are given for athletes who influence their own games/meets. Athletes so far have downplayed the amount of money involved, presenting it as small, silly bets, while the administration painted it more as a full-blown sportsbook.
  2. What does “full suspension” mean? Are practices included, are just meets included?
    • The school statement said, “The overwhelming cultural dynamic on the team necessitates a full suspension. We profoundly regret that the small number of team members who did not participate in the conduct, and those who were planning on joining the team this fall, will also suffer the consequences of this decision.”
  3. If these athletes can participate in practice of some sort, can they participate in club (USA Swimming) meets, and how will they be coached? Can they join the Notre Dame Collegiate Club Team or compete at the Collegiate Club National Championships? The latter seems unlikely, as this would still fall under the purview of Notre Dame’s administration, which applied the suspension in the first place.
  4. What are the rules for transferring or redshirting in a situation like this?
    • The NCAA 2023-2024 Division I manual states in 10.4 that “Prospective or enrolled student-athletes found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be ineligible for further intercollegiate competition, subject to appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of eligibility”
    • As it is the full team being put on suspension and not individual athletes, can individual athletes that have been found to not participate in the gambling, transfer to compete under another team? The NCAA transfer portal deadline was May 3rd for the men which makes transferring with immediate eligibility difficult, leading to the question of could transfer athletes (or athletes staying at Notre Dame) redshirt the entire year? Does the ability to redshirt depend on whether or not the athletes participated in the gambling?
    • Can the incoming student-athletes receive full releases from their NLIs?
  5. What does this mean for potential fifth-year athletes?
    • The Notre Dame men had numerous fifth year athletes this past season so it is not uncommon for the team to have fifth years.
  6. Do the athletes still receive their scholarships for this year?
  7. Could further consequences be incoming? Specifically legal consequences?
    • If the athletes are right, and these were just small bets, it’s unlikely that federal authorities will find it worth their time to get involved.
  8. What happens to the team’s best swimmer, Chris Guiliano?
    • The timing couldn’t be worse for Guiliano, who won gold and silver at the Olympics and is going to be one of the central figures for American swimming heading toward the Los Angeles Olympics. Will he transfer? Will he go pro? How does this impact endorsements or NIL money for him, and how does that play into his decision-making?

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North Starr
1 month ago

Yet Congress can inside-trade and I can bet against my company on options trades. How much were the wagers and their context? I just see it as healthy competition and fun to lightly push each other. Swimmers don’t exactly strike me as the type to intentionally sandbag. This feels like a whole lot of nothing was blown up disproportionately.

Qqq
Reply to  North Starr
1 month ago

What company do you work for? They’d probably like to know you’re doing that, happy to share.

GowdyRaines
Reply to  North Starr
1 month ago

Just because someone else is getting away with doing something wrong does not mean your (ND men’s swimmers) actions are okay. Wrong is wrong.

Jess
1 month ago

One of the best 2024 grads in my state committed there. The timing of ND’s announcement is terrible. The existence of an investigation should have been shared with recruits.

Awsi Dooger
1 month ago

I believe the athletes that they were small silly bets. I mentioned that immediately in the initial thread.

I’ve been around sports betting for 40 years. Other than among a handful of guys in Las Vegas I have never seen serious dollars exchanged among man to man wagers. Very basic reason. You can’t trust the other side to pay, unlike a casino or online sportsbook where there’s a foundational aspect and anonymous trust. It’s too awkward to collect serious cash from a friend.

One time circa 2003 a loudmouth at the Stardust sportsbook was insisting that Duke and Coach K had only won 2 national championships. I matter of factly told him he was wrong. The guy got very loud… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Awsi Dooger
DLswim
1 month ago

I think the question about the amount of money involved in the bets is key.

Qqq
1 month ago

#9 – did the Notre Dame women’s team take bets on how many of the men’s swimmers cried after the suspension. #karma

Iambic Pentameter
Reply to  Qqq
1 month ago

Speaking of issues with team culture.

BrianD
1 month ago

I wonder whether any women cried intentionally to help their boyfriends win bets. That would be scandalous.

Unfair
1 month ago

I think ND saw this and took it as an easy way to cut a men’s team to boost their funding and numbers for Football and Basketball, their real money generating sports

Steve
Reply to  Unfair
1 month ago

So, after 100 years of success in football and most of that time in basketball, this – this is the reason they’d cut a men’s team?

They were running an off-the-books gambling ring, which was at least against Notre Dame policies, perhaps against NCAA rules, and potentially a federal crime.

The money they’d save on cutting swimming wouldn’t make a drop in the bucket’s difference in football.

kazoo
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

If this case was identical but involved ND football players as opposed to swimmers, would Notre Dame suspend the football program for a year?? NOT A FREAKIN’ CHANCE!!

Swim
1 month ago

I just can’t get over the duct tape on the banner

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