With all the conference meets completed, it’s now time to examine which conferences have been the best so far. For women in division 1 the best conference is not totally clear. Depending on what you value, the answer is either the Pac 12 or the SEC. Either way it’s close. To rank conferences I used two different methodologies “Super Nationals” which slightly favored the SEC and “Ultimate Dual Meets” which slightly favored the Pac 12. Neither method includes diving.
Super Nationals
The first ranking method was an invite format where each conference got 16 entries in each event and the meet was scored thru 368th place (368=23 conferences*16 places). The exact procedure I followed was:
1) Grab the top 3 times by swimulator power points for the top 17 swimmers on each team in a conference.
2) Find the top 16 times in a conference among those times
3) Pool the top 16 times from all conferences and rank them
4) Score out the ranking 368 points for 1st, 367 for 2nd…1 point for 368th
The SEC came out on top in this ranking over the Pac 12 by a score of 69,866 to 69,579.5. The difference was about 300 points, but on a score total of over 69,000 that’s not a big margin. The main reason for the difference was the Pac 12’s inferior depth. The back half of nearly every top 16 favored the SEC by wide margins. The ACC narrowly edged out the Big 10 for 3rd. The Mountain West beat out the Ivy League as the top mid major conference. The Big 12, home to national power Texas ranked only 9th due to their lack of depth behind Texas and small number of teams.
This isn’t a perfect ranking system. In this methodology, for top conferences, having “slow” swimmers at the back end of the top 16 is punished more harshly than having extremely fast swimmers is rewarded. For example, Katie Ledecky could drop 10 seconds off her mile and her value in this ranking wouldn’t change. She would still be ranked first and score the same number of points. In contrast, if a swimmer at the bottom of the rankings adds a second, they can drop many places which would cost their conference points. This is a flaw, but it does mirror how actual swimming competitions are scored, so I’m not sure how big of a flaw it is.
Here are the full conference rankings by this methodology:
Conference | Points | |
1 | SEC | 69,866 |
2 | Pac 12 | 69,579.5 |
3 | ACC | 67,659 |
4 | Big Ten | 67,285 |
5 | Mountain West | 51,177.5 |
6 | Ivy League | 50,670.5 |
7 | MAC | 46,206 |
8 | AAC | 43,839 |
9 | Big 12 | 40,675 |
10 | C-USA | 38,718.5 |
11 | Mountain Pacific | 36,766.5 |
12 | Atlantic 10 | 33,714.5 |
13 | The Patriot League | 32,562 |
14 | CAA | 32,504.5 |
15 | CCSA | 31,162 |
16 | WAC | 30,747.5 |
17 | Missouri Valley | 26,740 |
18 | Horizon League | 25,523 |
19 | Big East | 22,832.5 |
20 | The Summit League | 22,282 |
21 | America East | 17,084 |
22 | Northeast Conf | 16,871 |
23 | Metro | 5,946.5 |
Ultimate Dual Meets
The second ranking method was a head to head format where each conference got 16 entries in each event and was pitted against other conferences head to head in meets scored to 32nd place. The exact procedure I followed was:
1) Grab the top 3 times by swimulator power points for the top 17 swimmers on each team in a conference
2) Find the top 16 times in a conference among those times
3) Pool the top 16 times from every pair of conferences
4) Score out the ranking 31 points for 1st, 30 for 2nd…1 point for 31st, 0 for 32nd
5)Rank conferences by head to head W-L record
In this method the Pac 12 beat the SEC by as score of 3,246.5-3,199.5. The only closer meet was the CCSA vs the WAC which the CCSA won by 14 points. In a credit to the robustness of both methods, the ranking of only 2 other conferences changed. The America East and Northeast Conferences traded the 21st and 22nd rankings they held in the Super Nationals method.
The ACC beat the Big 10 3,320.5-3,127.5 to take 3rd place. The Mountain West beat the Ivy League 3,255.5-3,192.5 for 5th.
In this methodology, having slower swimmers at the end of a conference’s ranking is probably under punished. If for example, a conference has the last 5 swimmers in a match in the 100 freestyle, it doesn’t matter if their times are 52.0 of 1:00.0, it’s scored the same. Similarly for lower ranked conferences, extremely fast swimmers are arguably undervalued. An overall conference quality ranking should be able to account for time quality across every swimmer. The other method does to some extent. However, given the similarity of results between the two methods, perhaps these flaws are mostly hypothetical
Conference | Wins | Losses | |
1 | Pac 12 | 22 | 0 |
2 | SEC | 21 | 1 |
3 | ACC | 20 | 2 |
4 | Big Ten | 19 | 3 |
5 | Mountain West | 18 | 4 |
6 | Ivy League | 17 | 5 |
7 | MAC | 16 | 6 |
8 | AAC | 15 | 7 |
9 | Big 12 | 14 | 8 |
10 | C-USA | 13 | 9 |
11 | Mountain Pacific | 12 | 10 |
12 | Atlantic 10 | 11 | 11 |
13 | The Patriot League | 10 | 12 |
14 | CAA | 9 | 13 |
15 | CCSA | 8 | 14 |
16 | WAC | 7 | 15 |
17 | Missouri Valley | 6 | 16 |
18 | Horizon League | 5 | 17 |
19 | Big East | 4 | 18 |
20 | The Summit League | 3 | 19 |
21 | Northeast Conf | 2 | 20 |
22 | America East | 1 | 21 |
23 | Metro | 0 | 22 |
Here’s the conference vs conference scores. It was too wide to fit in one table so half the columns are in this table and there’s a second table below with the second half of the data. The first score is the conference in the row, the second is the conference in the column.
ACC | America East | AAC | Atlantic 10 | Big 12 | Big East | Big Ten | CCSA | CAA | C-USA | Horizon League | |
ACC | 4846-1592 | 4682-1756 | 4863-1585 | 4518-1867 | 4842.5-1574.5 | 3320.5-3127.5 | 4859-1582 | 4846.5-1601.5 | 4785-1659 | 4874-1531 | |
America East | 1592-4846 | 1923-4485 | 2150-4288 | 2205-4120 | 2792.5-3576.5 | 1602.5-4835.5 | 2346-4073 | 2195.5-4242.5 | 2142.5-4278.5 | 2575.5-3775.5 | |
AAC | 1756-4682 | 4485-1923 | 3880-2558 | 3289.5-3058.5 | 4250.5-2121.5 | 1735.5-4702.5 | 3901.5-2524.5 | 3968.5-2469.5 | 3470.5-2963.5 | 4149.5-2200.5 | |
Atlantic 10 | 1585-4863 | 4288-2150 | 2558-3880 | 2734.5-3650.5 | 3856-2561 | 1602-4846 | 3449.5-2991.5 | 3279-3169 | 2879-3565 | 3754-2651 | |
Big 12 | 1867-4518 | 4120-2205 | 3058.5-3289.5 | 3650.5-2734.5 | 3910.5-2358.5 | 1866.5-4518.5 | 3626-2711 | 3692-2693 | 3263-3088 | 3856-2405 | |
Big East | 1574.5-4842.5 | 3576.5-2792.5 | 2121.5-4250.5 | 2561-3856 | 2358.5-3910.5 | 1570.5-4846.5 | 2625.5-3757.5 | 2573-3844 | 2359-4044 | 2954-3337 | |
Big Ten | 3127.5-3320.5 | 4835.5-1602.5 | 4702.5-1735.5 | 4846-1602 | 4518.5-1866.5 | 4846.5-1570.5 | 4814.5-1626.5 | 4833-1615 | 4752-1692 | 4855-1550 | |
CCSA | 1582-4859 | 4073-2346 | 2524.5-3901.5 | 2991.5-3449.5 | 2711-3626 | 3757.5-2625.5 | 1626.5-4814.5 | 3105.5-3335.5 | 2756.5-3672.5 | 3589-2784 | |
CAA | 1601.5-4846.5 | 4242.5-2195.5 | 2469.5-3968.5 | 3169-3279 | 2693-3692 | 3844-2573 | 1615-4833 | 3335.5-3105.5 | 2808-3636 | 3638.5-2766.5 | |
C-USA | 1659-4785 | 4278.5-2142.5 | 2963.5-3470.5 | 3565-2879 | 3088-3263 | 4044-2359 | 1692-4752 | 3672.5-2756.5 | 3636-2808 | 3899.5-2493.5 | |
Horizon League | 1531-4874 | 3775.5-2575.5 | 2200.5-4149.5 | 2651-3754 | 2405-3856 | 3337-2954 | 1550-4855 | 2784-3589 | 2766.5-3638.5 | 2493.5-3899.5 | |
Ivy League | 1737-4711 | 4705-1733 | 3636-2802 | 4306.5-2141.5 | 3635-2750 | 4572-1845 | 1724.5-4723.5 | 4348-2093 | 4428.5-2019.5 | 3915.5-2528.5 | 4522-1883 |
Metro | 1557-4888 | 2255.5-4173.5 | 1666-4769 | 1626-4819 | 1957-4398 | 2061.5-4337.5 | 1557-4888 | 1747-4679 | 1608-4837 | 1714-4721 | 1902-4488 |
MAC | 1715-4732 | 4577-1856 | 3340.5-3091.5 | 3992.5-2454.5 | 3412.5-2966.5 | 4413.5-1995.5 | 1755.5-4691.5 | 4136.5-2301.5 | 4076-2371 | 3638-2805 | 4367.5-2027.5 |
Missouri Valley | 1564.5-4874.5 | 3883-2524 | 2299-4110 | 2755-3684 | 2513.5-3815.5 | 3452.5-2912.5 | 1559-4880 | 2963-3453 | 2814.5-3624.5 | 2589-3840 | 3275.5-3072.5 |
Mountain Pacific | 1617.5-4813.5 | 4312-2083 | 2703-3688 | 3439-2992 | 2889-3440 | 3979.5-2373.5 | 1651.5-4779.5 | 3560-2853 | 3531.5-2899.5 | 3049-3376 | 3847-2483 |
Mountain West | 1791.5-4656.5 | 4696-1742 | 3658.5-2779.5 | 4325.5-2122.5 | 3662.5-2722.5 | 4567-1850 | 1798.5-4649.5 | 4375.5-2065.5 | 4422.5-2025.5 | 3933-2511 | 4542-1863 |
Northeast Conf | 1564-4878 | 3305-3111 | 1878-4534 | 2132.5-4309.5 | 2226.5-4132.5 | 2826-3557 | 1565-4877 | 2334-4097 | 2153.5-4288.5 | 2129-4309 | 2614.5-3748.5 |
Pac 12 | 3564.5-2882.5 | 4855.5-1581.5 | 4743-1694 | 4875-1572 | 4609-1775 | 4880-1536 | 3548.5-2898.5 | 4868-1572 | 4874-1573 | 4827.5-1615.5 | 4880-1524 |
SEC | 3590.5-2856.5 | 4855-1582 | 4772.5-1664.5 | 4884-1563 | 4593-1791 | 4883-1533 | 3630-2817 | 4866-1574 | 4878.5-1568.5 | 4825-1618 | 4891-1513 |
The Patriot League | 1604-4843 | 4174.5-2262.5 | 2495-3942 | 3186-3261 | 2759.5-3629.5 | 3827.5-2589.5 | 1583.5-4863.5 | 3308-3132 | 3271-3176 | 2833.5-3609.5 | 3623.5-2780.5 |
The Summit League | 1667-4775 | 3433-2983 | 2204.5-4207.5 | 2479.5-3962.5 | 2477.5-3881.5 | 3097.5-3285.5 | 1666.5-4775.5 | 2614-3818 | 2496-3946 | 2388-4050 | 2866-3497 |
WAC | 1568-4864 | 4119-2279 | 2373.5-4018.5 | 3032-3400 | 2622-3717 | 3701.5-2657.5 | 1569.5-4862.5 | 3202-3216 | 3121-3311 | 2718-3710 | 3525-2810 |
Ivy League | Metro | MAC | Missouri Valley | Mountain Pacific | Mountain West | Northeast Conf | Pac 12 | SEC | The Patriot League | The Summit League | WAC | |
ACC | 4711-1737 | 4888-1557 | 4732-1715 | 4874.5-1564.5 | 4813.5-1617.5 | 4656.5-1791.5 | 4878-1564 | 2882.5-3564.5 | 2856.5-3590.5 | 4843-1604 | 4775-1667 | 4864-1568 |
America East | 1733-4705 | 4173.5-2255.5 | 1856-4577 | 2524-3883 | 2083-4312 | 1742-4696 | 3111-3305 | 1581.5-4855.5 | 1582-4855 | 2262.5-4174.5 | 2983-3433 | 2279-4119 |
AAC | 2802-3636 | 4769-1666 | 3091.5-3340.5 | 4110-2299 | 3688-2703 | 2779.5-3658.5 | 4534-1878 | 1694-4743 | 1664.5-4772.5 | 3942-2495 | 4207.5-2204.5 | 4018.5-2373.5 |
Atlantic 10 | 2141.5-4306.5 | 4819-1626 | 2454.5-3992.5 | 3684-2755 | 2992-3439 | 2122.5-4325.5 | 4309.5-2132.5 | 1572-4875 | 1563-4884 | 3261-3186 | 3962.5-2479.5 | 3400-3032 |
Big 12 | 2750-3635 | 4398-1957 | 2966.5-3412.5 | 3815.5-2513.5 | 3440-2889 | 2722.5-3662.5 | 4132.5-2226.5 | 1775-4609 | 1791-4593 | 3629.5-2759.5 | 3881.5-2477.5 | 3717-2622 |
Big East | 1845-4572 | 4337.5-2061.5 | 1995.5-4413.5 | 2912.5-3452.5 | 2373.5-3979.5 | 1850-4567 | 3557-2826 | 1536-4880 | 1533-4883 | 2589.5-3827.5 | 3285.5-3097.5 | 2657.5-3701.5 |
Big Ten | 4723.5-1724.5 | 4888-1557 | 4691.5-1755.5 | 4880-1559 | 4779.5-1651.5 | 4649.5-1798.5 | 4877-1565 | 2898.5-3548.5 | 2817-3630 | 4863.5-1583.5 | 4775.5-1666.5 | 4862.5-1569.5 |
CCSA | 2093-4348 | 4679-1747 | 2301.5-4136.5 | 3453-2963 | 2853-3560 | 2065.5-4375.5 | 4097-2334 | 1572-4868 | 1574-4866 | 3132-3308 | 3818-2614 | 3216-3202 |
CAA | 2019.5-4428.5 | 4837-1608 | 2371-4076 | 3624.5-2814.5 | 2899.5-3531.5 | 2025.5-4422.5 | 4288.5-2153.5 | 1573-4874 | 1568.5-4878.5 | 3176-3271 | 3946-2496 | 3311-3121 |
C-USA | 2528.5-3915.5 | 4721-1714 | 2805-3638 | 3840-2589 | 3376-3049 | 2511-3933 | 4309-2129 | 1615.5-4827.5 | 1618-4825 | 3609.5-2833.5 | 4050-2388 | 3710-2718 |
Horizon League | 1883-4522 | 4488-1902 | 2027.5-4367.5 | 3072.5-3275.5 | 2483-3847 | 1863-4542 | 3748.5-2614.5 | 1524-4880 | 1513-4891 | 2780.5-3623.5 | 3497-2866 | 2810-3525 |
Ivy League | 4883-1562 | 3549-2898 | 4504-1935 | 4142-2289 | 3192.5-3255.5 | 4779-1663 | 1672.5-4774.5 | 1637-4810 | 4399-2048 | 4476.5-1965.5 | 4458-1974 | |
Metro | 1562-4883 | 1588-4856 | 1799-4628 | 1677-4748 | 1559-4886 | 2083-4356 | 1541-4903 | 1541-4903 | 1662-4782 | 2082.5-4356.5 | 1693-4736 | |
MAC | 2898-3549 | 4856-1588 | 4300.5-2133.5 | 3818.5-2604.5 | 2851-3596 | 4683.5-1753.5 | 1666-4780 | 1643-4803 | 4071-2375 | 4356.5-2081.5 | 4168.5-2255.5 | |
Missouri Valley | 1935-4504 | 4628-1799 | 2133.5-4300.5 | 2537.5-3857.5 | 1882-4557 | 3874-2543 | 1548.5-4889.5 | 1539.5-4898.5 | 2850-3588 | 3621-2796 | 2892.5-3506.5 | |
Mountain Pacific | 2289-4142 | 4748-1677 | 2604.5-3818.5 | 3857.5-2537.5 | 2254.5-4176.5 | 4380-2021 | 1606.5-4823.5 | 1584-4846 | 3456.5-2973.5 | 3990.5-2411.5 | 3616.5-2761.5 | |
Mountain West | 3255.5-3192.5 | 4886-1559 | 3596-2851 | 4557-1882 | 4176.5-2254.5 | 4781.5-1660.5 | 1733-4714 | 1685.5-4761.5 | 4375.5-2071.5 | 4476-1966 | 4434.5-1997.5 | |
Northeast Conf | 1663-4779 | 4356-2083 | 1753.5-4683.5 | 2543-3874 | 2021-4380 | 1660.5-4781.5 | 1553-4888 | 1549-4892 | 2239-4202 | 3026-3394 | 2209-4193 | |
Pac 12 | 4774.5-1672.5 | 4903-1541 | 4780-1666 | 4889.5-1548.5 | 4823.5-1606.5 | 4714-1733 | 4888-1553 | 3246.5-3199.5 | 4880.5-1565.5 | 4816.5-1624.5 | 4868.5-1562.5 | |
SEC | 4810-1637 | 4903-1541 | 4803-1643 | 4898.5-1539.5 | 4846-1584 | 4761.5-1685.5 | 4892-1549 | 3199.5-3246.5 | 4893-1553 | 4836-1605 | 4885-1546 | |
The Patriot League | 2048-4399 | 4782-1662 | 2375-4071 | 3588-2850 | 2973.5-3456.5 | 2071.5-4375.5 | 4202-2239 | 1565.5-4880.5 | 1553-4893 | 3912.5-2528.5 | 3355-3076 | |
The Summit League | 1965.5-4476.5 | 4356.5-2082.5 | 2081.5-4356.5 | 2796-3621 | 2411.5-3990.5 | 1966-4476 | 3394-3026 | 1624.5-4816.5 | 1605-4836 | 2528.5-3912.5 | 2594.5-3808.5 | |
WAC | 1974-4458 | 4736-1693 | 2255.5-4168.5 | 3506.5-2892.5 | 2761.5-3616.5 | 1997.5-4434.5 | 4193-2209 | 1562.5-4868.5 | 1546-4885 | 3076-3355 | 3808.5-2594.5 |
Any chance this could be done for men?
Sure, will ask Andrew to do a similar review this year for men and women/
Cool analysis!
SEC-PAC12-ACC-Big 10- Texas. End of demo
What would you get if you just added power points?
Depends on whose power points you use.
I thought about doing this but didn’t use it because I want to be able to repeat this analysis for men’s conferences with the same methodology. Several men’s conferences are pretty small. The Big 12, for example, has 3 teams. This means they don’t have 16 swimmers in any events. A power point system could work on a sum or an average.
I think a sum would over punish a small conference without a full 16. Even bad swims are worth hundreds of points and the margin between an ok and record breaking swim is maybe a hundred points, Any missing swimmers at all would more than wipe out any great swimmers.
An average would actually reward a… Read more »
Could we get another one these each year, for men and women?
Love your work
I can’t thank swim swam enough for revolutionizing swimming media. These are the types of fantastic articles that never used to exist before swim swam became what it is today. Thank you so much for taking the time to do these types of analyses!
Appreciate the kind words. We got away from these sorts of articles a little bit in 2014 and 2015, but thanks to Andrew, Kevin, and Barry joining the team, we’re happy to have revived this part of our content scheme.
Cool analysis. It’s crazy how even this makes the Pac 12 and the SEC. SEC is better if every team is accounted for but PAC 12 beats SEC head on. It appears as if this value the depth (goes all the way to the bottom 16) of a conference as opposed to how many points a conference would get at at a championship meet. I was wondering if relays were also counted, if so a conference with 9 teams (Pac 12) would have a disadvantage to a team that has 12 (SEC).
I’m a huge numbers guy so this was great! Very fun read
This values depth because I think “which conference is the fastest?” and “which conference has the fastest swimmers?” are different questions. The Pac 12 has the fastest swimmers. Ledecky, Manuel, Eastin, Baker. It’s less clear that it’s the fastest conference overall.
I left out relays because they give a conference a huge advantage based only on team count, not relative quality. That seemed against the spirit of the question. There is already enough penalty for lack of depth built into the existing metrics. I thought about using a cutoff of 8 relays per conference, but there are still conferences with fewer than 8 teams (ex. Big 12). Fewer than 8 relays wasn’t accounting enough for depth. 8 or more… Read more »
We were thinking alike with those relays! Again I am so happy to read articles like this. Thank you