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Kieran Smith Compares SCM 400 Free and SCY 500 Free

2022 FINA WORLD CUP – TORONTO

DAY TWO FINALS HEAT SHEET

World champion Kieran Smith is getting comfortable with racing in the 400 SCM freestyle, saying he approaches it by going out hard the first 200 while conserving enough to have a good back half. Smith also laments that his once-SEC-now-International opponent Matt Sates is hard to beat, having finished behind Sates in both Berlin and now Toronto.

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ArtVanDeLegh10
2 years ago

Agnel’s 400 converts to 4:02 low. Scm to SCY is a pretty accurate conversion.

Joe
Reply to  ArtVanDeLegh10
2 years ago

And people try and say Phelps couldn’t go under 4:00 in a 500… smh

ClubCoach
2 years ago

To be quite frank,what MP might have gone is irrelevant to today…

chazoozle
Reply to  ClubCoach
2 years ago

Ya but what do you think he could have gone in a 500 in his prime?

OldNotDead
2 years ago

So a story about Kieran Smith has turned into an MP fan page?

Khachaturian
Reply to  OldNotDead
2 years ago

MP lives in our walls

swimmer
2 years ago

What do you all think Michael Phelps could have gone in a 500 yard free?

Daddy
Reply to  swimmer
2 years ago

Sub 4:00 for sure.

swimmer
Reply to  Daddy
2 years ago

I think he would have been sub 4:00 as well with how much speed he had and endurance in 400 IM. Might have been of one of his best events. Think the 400 free LC would have been all time as well

Last edited 2 years ago by swimmer
Andrew
Reply to  Daddy
2 years ago

lmaooo Phelps would’ve gone 4:13-4:18 range. He’s a clear long course swimmer (and goat in LCM) but doesn’t have the explosiveness or lactic acid tolerance for SCY. You are taking the same drugs as Sun Yang if you think Phelps goes sub 4:00 500 yard free, especially 10+ years ago where the standard was lower than it was now.

swimmer
Reply to  Andrew
2 years ago

might be the worst take i will see all week and it is only Monday

Mr Piano
Reply to  Andrew
2 years ago

He went 4:09 when he was 19 not fully rested. I don’t think Phelps would have been 4:00 or lower because he was training for IM, but he had the potential for it. Thorpe definitely could have too.

ArtVanDeLegh10
Reply to  Mr Piano
2 years ago

Phelps was a middle distance swimmer. He trained a ton of Freestyle, but lets not act like he wasn’t training for Free as well as IM. If he went 4:09 not rested, he would have likely been faster than that shaved/rested/at a big meet, but 4:00 is 6 seconds faster than anyone else in history. 4:02 is going out in 46 flat and then holding 49s the rest of the way – he wasn’t doing that.

chazoozle
Reply to  Andrew
2 years ago

Today is Halloween not 420 bro. Put down the blunt.

M L
Reply to  Andrew
2 years ago

Phelps was better at LCM than SCY, but I believe he had a legendary lactic acid tolerance. Like, it’s been measured and documented. I could see him breaking 4:05 fully tapered in his middle-distance prime (2007-08).

The Original Tim
Reply to  Andrew
2 years ago

Given that his best from an in season grand prix meet in 2008 was a 4:10…

nuotofan
Reply to  The Original Tim
2 years ago

Yes, 4.10.4 in mid-January 2008 (without Speedo Lzr) in a Cal meeting, two months after breaking his wrist, swimming a lot of races and, obviously, unrested and focused towards Beijing Olympics.

Swim2win
Reply to  swimmer
2 years ago

I feel like while MP was amazing off the turn he lagged behind in actually getting into the wall. He’d definitely be an all timer on the event but tbh I think it’s too many turns for him to really get into it.

Last edited 2 years ago by Swim2win
Joe
Reply to  swimmer
2 years ago

I’m pretty sure there is video of Phelps swimming the 500. Also, no way he is even close to breaking 4 minutes.

swimmer
Reply to  Joe
2 years ago

At a rested meet?

Ragnar
Reply to  swimmer
2 years ago

Sub 4 no(unless he only did 100/200/400 free training) but 4:04-6 seems reasonable if NCAA Phelps had existed and did it at a shaved/tapered meet. And at the time a 4:08-4:10 was title worthy

The Original Tim
Reply to  swimmer
2 years ago

His fastest was a 4:10 at a grand prix meet in January 2008. He was a 4:20 in prelims and 4:10 in finals.

At that same meet he went a 3:38 in the 400 IM, a couple seconds off his 3:36 PR from 2006.

In February 2008 he was a 1:45 in the LCM 200 FR, vs his 1:43 at the Olympics that summer.

At that same meet he was a 4:14 in the LCM 400 IM, vs his 4:03 at the Olympics.

Throwing those numbers together and doing some hand wavy math to come up with some 100% scientific projections, I think he’d have been in the vicinity of a 4:03-4:05 if he’d just swum it shaved and tapered;… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by The Original Tim

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