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East is Beast, But West is Best at US Winter Juniors

2022 WINTER JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS – EAST

  • December 7-10, 2022
  • Locations
    • East: Greensboro Aquatic Center, Greensboro, North Carolina
    • West: Texas Swim Center, Austin, Texas
  • Full Results – East
  • Full Results – West

The most inflammatory and controversial question that was asked about last week’s Winter Junior Championships wasn’t whether Daniel Diehl should go to college or turn pro, they weren’t about whether Maximus Williamson‘s new training is working, it wasn’t even about the Sandpiper girls and whether they’re too good for Juniors.

No, as is so often the case, tribalism ruled the day. The statement that got the most people fired up was about which meet was faster: East or West.

While the question itself is a little silly and a little fun, it is sort of important as a measure of the geographic shift of swimming power in the country. As Michael Hamann explored earlier this year, only two athletes from the 2022 World Championship team grew up in California, which is a remarkable shift from prior generations.

But how far has that shift gone, and is that shift riding the top of the wave, or is it an entire wave?

One data point, at least, shows that West is still best, at least in junior short course swimming.

SwimSwam data guru Barry Revzin scored out the meet using the following criteria:

  • Top 16
  • Traditional NCAA Championship scoring (20-17-16 in the A final, 9-7-6 in the B final)
  • Using finals times only
  • Double points for relays

And here are the results, if we pretend that the two meets were each a team in a virtual affair.

+------+------+--------+
| rank | team | score  |
+------+------+--------+
|  1   | west | 3979.5 |
|  2   | east | 3150.5 |
+------+------+--------+

So as you can see, there still seems to be a pretty heavy lean to the West.

In anticipation of a lot of “whatabouts” in the comments, the following things are true:

  • While the geographical split makes sense visually, there are probably more swimmers zoned to the West meet than the East meet
  • The West meet was very far from some portions of the West zone
  • The East meet was very far from some portions of the East zone
  • NCAP, the biggest club in the country, hosted its own mid-season invite
  • NCAP is still a very good and very deep club, but doesn’t have the superstars like it sometimes has in the past (Katie Ledecky, Tom Dolan, Cassidy Bayer, Ed Moses, Roque Santos, Mike Barrowman) so less of a factor than in other years
  • But still a factor
  • California is hosting a Sectionals meet the weekend after Winter Juniors
  • Summer McIntosh is Canadian but training in Florida
  • Lydia Jacoby is in college (but in the same hemi-nation that she grew up in, West)
  • Sandpipers are using cheatcodes

It’s still an interesting comparison between the two.

See daily combined top 8s (thanks to Anne Lepesant and Annika Johnson):

Mythical “combined” Winter Junior National Champions (Individual):

Bella Sims won 7 mythical national titles. Katie Grimes won 5 Sandpipers in total won 13. Maximus Williamson and Thomas Heilman each won 3. West swimmers won 17, East swimmers won 14.

200 medley relay Carmel Swim Club (B Berglund, M Sweeney, Alex Shackell, M Christman) – 1:36.48 (Meet Record) East Carmel Swim Club Indiana
200 medley relay Rose Bowl (M Cahill, D Li, N Kim, R Maurer) – 1:27.17 West Rose Bowl California
800 free relay Sandpipers of Nevada (B Sims, K Grimes, M Hodges, C Weinstein) – 6:52.66 (Meet Record) West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
800 free relay Lakeside Aquatic Club (M Williamson, C Lucas, M Hatcher, R Paulk) – 6:22.78 West Lakeside Aquatic Club Texas
500 free Summer McIntosh – 4:27.52 MEET RECORD East Sarasota Sharks Florida
500 free Rex Maurer – 4:12.33 MEET RECORD West Rosebowl Aquatics California
200 IM Bella Sims – 1:52.73 MEET RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
200 IM Thomas Heilman – 1:41.71 MEET RECORD/NAG RECORD East Cavalier Aquatics Virginia
50 free Alex Shackell – 21.73 East Carmel Swim Club Indiana
50 free Ethan Harrington – 19.45 West Palo Alto Stanford Aquatics California
400 medley relay Carmel Swim Club (B Berglund, M Sweeney, Alex Shackell, M Christman) – 3:33.48 East Carmel Swim Club Indiana
400 medley relay Rose Bowl (R Maurer, D Li, M Cahill, J Gim) – 3:10.77 West Rose Bowl Aquatics California
400 IM Katie Grimes – 3:57.02 MEET RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
400 IM Maximus Williamson – 3:39.83 WEST MEET RECORD, 15-16 NAG West Lakeside Aquatic Club Texas
100 fly Alex Shackell – 51.00 East Carmel Swim Club Indiana
100 fly Thomas Heilman – 44.67 MEET RECORD, 15-16 NAG East Cavalier Aquatics Virginia
200 free Summer McIntosh – 1:40.63 MEET RECORD East Sarasota Sharks Florida
200 free Henry McFadden – 1:33.07 MEET RECORD TIE East Jersey Wahoos New Jersey
100 breast Lydia Jacoby – 57.76 MEET RECORD West University of Texas Texas
100 breast Nate Germonprez – 52.73 West Inspire Swim Team Nebraska
100 back Bella Sims – 50.53 MEET RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
100 back Will Modglin – 45.01 MEET RECORD East Zionsville Swim Club Indiana
200 free relay (tie) Sandpipers of Nevada (B Sims, K Grimes, M Hodges, C Weinstein) / Mission Viejo Nadadores (T Salvino, A Kozan, G Aquino, T O’Dell) – 1:29.35 WEST MEET RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
200 free relay Nitro (S Wang, J Kelly, O Rowe, K Flynn) – 1:19.87 West Nitro Swimming Texas
1650 free Katie Grimes – 15:26.17 MEET AND POOL RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
1650 free Luke Ellis – 14:49.79 West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
200 back Bella Sims – 1:48.32 MEET RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
200 back Daniel Diehl – 1:39.62 MEET RECORD East Cumberland YMCA Maryland
100 free Alex Shackell – 47.44 East Carmel Swim Club Indiana
100 free Kaii Winkler – 42.22 East Eagle Aquatics Florida
200 breast Lydia Jacoby – 2:06.81 West University of Texas Texas
200 breast Jake Eccleston – 1:54.50 West Loveland Swim Club Colorado
200 fly Bella Sims – 1:51.06 MEET RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
200 fly Thomas Heilman – 1:40.86 MEET RECORD, 15-16 NAG East Cavalier Aquatics Virginia
400 free relay Sandpipers of Nevada (B Sims, K Grimes, K Hodges, C Weinstein) – 3:13.15 MEET RECORD, 15-18 NAG RECORD West Sandpipers of Nevada Nevada
400 free relay Lakeside Aquatic Club (M Williamson, R Paulk, M Hatcher, C Lucas) – 2:54.75 MEET RECORD West Lakeside Aquatic Club Texas

Mythical “combined” Winter Junior National Champions (Team):

+------+---------------------+-------+
| rank |         team        | score |
+------+---------------------+-------+
|  1   | Carmel Swim Club-IN | 569.0 |
|  2   |       SAND-CA       | 554.5 |
|  3   |        LAC-NT       | 396.0 |
|  4   |  Sarasota Sharks-FL | 308.5 |
|  5   |       ROSE-CA       | 296.0 |
|  6   |        MVN-CA       | 291.0 |
|  7   |      SwimMAC-NC     | 235.0 |
|  8   |      Bolles-FL      | 202.0 |
|  9   |       NTRO-ST       | 193.5 |
|  10  |        NEP-AZ       | 183.0 |
+------+---------------------+-------+

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mahaney
1 year ago

but what about weast ??

Old Bruin
1 year ago

Love the swim stat geekfest this is. Way to take a fake “junior national” meet and truly make it one!

Aggie Swammer
1 year ago

Did you score out men & women separately by chance?

Sid Frisco
1 year ago

Looks like Carmel and Sand women did the heavy lifting in the combined rankings.

Tas
1 year ago

Can I have the cheat codes ?

James Beam
1 year ago

The headline is straight out of a WWE show!! nice one Braden!

Dan
1 year ago

I thought Chicago Park District was the biggest team in the country?

Keboblover222
1 year ago

It needed to be said West >>

BoobooLover777
Reply to  Keboblover222
1 year ago

East needs to get good

Keboblover222
Reply to  BoobooLover777
1 year ago

Facts bro

ThatsNotHowItWorks
Reply to  Keboblover222
1 year ago

I cant tell if this is the same person using 2 accounts or two somehow equally laughably immature users.

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