Thanks to Barry Revzin for crunching the data on this.
The annual Speedo Winter Junior Championships are among the best domestic meets every year, with new names breaking through, familiar names posting jaw-dropping times, and records falling by the handful.
Since USA Swimming split the meet into two events in 2015 to deal with the increasing depth becoming two big for a single Winter Junior National Championship event, we’ve been unable to see some of the biggest head-to-head matchups actualize. This year, that included future Virginia teammates Thomas Heilman of Cavalier Aquatics in Virginia and Maximus Williamson of the Lakeside Aquatic Club in Texas, who were sent to different meets.
While swimmers are sent to different meets, we can put the results together, on paper, to figure out a mythical ‘national’ champion.
SwimSwam’s Anne Lepesant has been tracking the top 8s in each event from the two meets combined from throughout the week, and what that work has revealed is that while both sides have some show-stopping swimmers, the East meet was much deeper than the West meet.
Anne’s analysis showed that the West region won just 11 out of the 36 events in this theoretical analysis.
That’s a flip from last year, where West was the better of the two meets. Both sides were missing some of their hallmark teams. The west was without the Sandpipers of Nevada, for example, who won the West meet. The east was without the Sarasota Sharks and the country’s biggest team, NCAP, which per usual instead attended their own Tom Dolan Invitational.
The meet uses the same scoring system as the NCAA Championships. Top 16 score in each event, with 1st place earning 20, 2nd 17, then on to 16, 15, 14,13, 12, 11 in the A-final; and 9-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, in order, for the B-final. Relays score double.
East Vs. West, Mythical Scoring
- East – 4,282.5 (2,253.5 for men, 2,029 for women)
- West – 2,847.5 (1,311.5 for men, 1,536 for women)
In total, 242 teams participated in the two meets, with 81 scoring at the West meet and 63 at the East meet.
When we mash all of the results together, the East dominance becomes more obvious. The top 3 teams all come from the East region, as do 5 of the top 6. The top-finishing West team is the Lakeside Aquatic Club (formerly mentioned as Maximus Williamson‘s team).
The caveats to address the comments that are going to come:
- While the geographical split makes sense visually, there are probably more swimmers zoned to the West meet than the East meet
- The West meet was very far from some portions of the West zone
- The East meet was very far from some portions of the East zone
- NCAP, the biggest club in the country, hosted its own mid-season invite
- NCAP is still a very good and very deep club, but doesn’t have the superstars like it sometimes has in the past (Katie Ledecky, Tom Dolan, Cassidy Bayer, Ed Moses, Roque Santos, Mike Barrowman) so less of a factor than in other years
- But still a factor
- California is hosting a Sectionals meet the weekend after Winter Juniors
- Summer McIntosh is Canadian but training in Florida
- Lydia Jacoby is in college (but in the same hemi-nation that she grew up in, West)
Combined East + West Meet Results, Team Scoring
Note: this scoring is done on the basis of taking the results of both meets, putting them together, and rescoring as if it was one meet.
rank | team | side | score | men | women |
1 | Carmel Swim Club-IN | East | 591 | 132 | 459 |
2 | Lakeside Swim Te-KY | East | 509 | 240.5 | 268.5 |
3 | SwimMAC Carolina-NC | East | 390.5 | 175.5 | 215 |
4 | Lakeside Aquatic-NT | West | 357 | 329 | 28 |
5 | Bolles School Sh-FL | East | 319.5 | 220 | 99.5 |
6 | Cavalier Aquatics – Y-VA | East | 303 | 303 | 0 |
7 | Crow Canyon Shar-PC | West | 264 | 0 | 264 |
8 | Mission Viejo Na-CA | West | 239 | 0 | 239 |
9 | Rose Bowl Aquati-CA | West | 204 | 204 | 0 |
10 | Bellevue Club Sw-PN | West | 192 | 0 | 192 |
11 | Suburban Seahawk-MA | East | 187.5 | 184.5 | 3 |
12 | FMC Aquatic-IL | West | 169 | 169 | 0 |
13 | Nashville Aquati-SE | East | 152.5 | 134.5 | 18 |
14 | Aquajets Swim Te-MN | West | 134.5 | 81.5 | 53 |
15 | Mason Manta Rays-OH | East | 134 | 69 | 65 |
16 | Tac Titans-NC | East | 123.5 | 17.5 | 106 |
17 | Laker Swim-FL | East | 115 | 11 | 104 |
18 | Scottsdale Aquat-AZ | West | 103 | 21 | 82 |
19 | NASA Wildcat Aqu-IL | West | 92 | 13 | 79 |
20 | East Carolina Aq | East | 91 | 66 | 25 |
21 | Fox Valley Pa-IL | West | 86 | 0 | 86 |
22 | Dynamo Swim Club-GA | East | 82 | 82 | 0 |
23 | Irvine Novaquati-CA | West | 80.5 | 28 | 52.5 |
24 | Scarlet Aquatics-NJ | East | 77 | 3 | 74 |
25 | Fishers Area Swi | East | 71 | 44 | 27 |
26 | Blair Regional Y | East | 70 | 0 | 70 |
27 | Baylor Swim Club | East | 61.5 | 61.5 | 0 |
28 | Gwinnett Aquatic | East | 60 | 60 | 0 |
29 | Jersey Wahoos-MA | East | 57 | 0 | 57 |
30 | Nova of Virginia-VA | East | 55 | 29 | 26 |
31 | North Bay Aquati | West | 49 | 49 | 0 |
32 | Fort Collins Are | West | 48 | 48 | 0 |
33 | Palo Alto Stanfo-PC | West | 47 | 0 | 47 |
34 | Seattle Metro-PN | West | 47 | 34 | 13 |
35 | Team Suffolk-MR | East | 46 | 46 | 0 |
36 | Stingrays Swim T | East | 46 | 46 | 0 |
37 | Michigan Lakesho-MI | East | 45 | 0 | 45 |
38 | Gator Swim Club- | East | 44 | 0 | 44 |
39 | Bend Swim Club-OR | West | 43 | 39 | 4 |
40 | Foxjets Swim Tea | West | 43 | 0 | 43 |
41 | Tormgreater Some | East | 42 | 3 | 39 |
42 | Oly Swimming-MI | East | 42 | 33 | 9 |
43 | SwimAtlanta-GA | East | 41 | 13 | 28 |
44 | Academy Bullets-IL | West | 39 | 0 | 39 |
45 | Upper Dublin Aqu | East | 36.5 | 0 | 36.5 |
46 | Elmbrook Swim Cl-WI | West | 35 | 0 | 35 |
47 | Lubbock Swim Clu | West | 35 | 35 | 0 |
48 | Mecklenburg Swim-NC | East | 32 | 25 | 7 |
49 | Gold Medal Swim-AZ | West | 32 | 16 | 16 |
50 | King Aquatic Clu | West | 31 | 0 | 31 |
51 | New Wave Swim Te-NC | East | 30 | 30 | 0 |
52 | Beach Cities Swi | West | 30 | 0 | 30 |
53 | Ridgefield Aquat | East | 29 | 29 | 0 |
54 | Huntsville Swim-SE | East | 28.5 | 28.5 | 0 |
55 | Dublin Community-OH | East | 28 | 0 | 28 |
56 | Las Vegas Swim C | West | 28 | 28 | 0 |
57 | Unattached-MI | East | 27 | 7 | 20 |
58 | Patriot Aquatic- | West | 27 | 0 | 27 |
59 | Area Tallahassee | East | 25 | 25 | 0 |
60 | Univ of Denver H | West | 24.5 | 0 | 24.5 |
61 | Glacier Swim Clu | West | 24.5 | 24.5 | 0 |
62 | Orinda Aquatics-PC | West | 24 | 0 | 24 |
63 | Shawmut Aquatic- | East | 22 | 17 | 5 |
64 | Germantown Acad- | East | 22 | 22 | 0 |
65 | Irish Aquatics-I | East | 22 | 0 | 22 |
66 | Ojai Heat Waves- | West | 21 | 21 | 0 |
67 | Flatiron Athleti | West | 20 | 14 | 6 |
68 | Streamline Aquat | West | 19.5 | 19.5 | 0 |
69 | Badger Aquatics- | West | 19.5 | 19.5 | 0 |
70 | Longhorn Aquatic | West | 19 | 0 | 19 |
71 | Blue Tide Aquati | West | 19 | 19 | 0 |
72 | Alamo Area Aquat-ST | West | 18 | 0 | 18 |
73 | Swim Neptune-AZ | West | 17.5 | 17.5 | 0 |
74 | Evolution Racing-CA | West | 17 | 17 | 0 |
75 | Chelsea Piers Aq | East | 17 | 0 | 17 |
76 | Riverside Aquati-CA | West | 16.5 | 0 | 16.5 |
77 | RISE Aquatic Clu | West | 16 | 16 | 0 |
78 | McCallie / Gps A | East | 15.5 | 15.5 | 0 |
79 | Waukesha Express | West | 15 | 0 | 15 |
80 | The Woodlands Sw-GU | West | 14 | 0 | 14 |
81 | Naval Academy Aq | East | 14 | 14 | 0 |
82 | Mount Pleasant A | East | 14 | 0 | 14 |
83 | Phoenix Swimming | East | 14 | 11 | 3 |
84 | Jersey Aquatic C | East | 13 | 0 | 13 |
85 | Metro Atlanta Aq | East | 11 | 0 | 11 |
86 | California Dolph | West | 10 | 10 | 0 |
87 | Memphis Thunder- | East | 9.5 | 0 | 9.5 |
88 | Sierra Marlins S-SN | West | 9 | 9 | 0 |
89 | Front Range Barr | West | 9 | 0 | 9 |
90 | Multnomah Athlet | West | 9 | 9 | 0 |
91 | Eastern Express- | East | 9 | 0 | 9 |
92 | All Star Aquatic | East | 9 | 0 | 9 |
93 | Old Dominion Aqu | East | 9 | 9 | 0 |
94 | Iowa Flyers Swim-IA | West | 8 | 8 | 0 |
95 | Quest Swimming-V | East | 8 | 0 | 8 |
96 | David YMCA Phant | East | 7.5 | 7.5 | 0 |
97 | Greater Phila-MA | East | 7 | 0 | 7 |
98 | New Albany Aquat | East | 7 | 7 | 0 |
99 | Poseidon Swimmin | East | 7 | 0 | 7 |
100 | Tsunami Swim Tea | West | 7 | 7 | 0 |
101 | Boilermaker Aqua | East | 6.5 | 6.5 | 0 |
102 | Central Ohio Aqu | East | 6.5 | 6.5 | 0 |
103 | Crimson Aquatics-NE | East | 6 | 0 | 6 |
104 | Magnolia Aquatic | West | 6 | 0 | 6 |
105 | City Of Lafayett | West | 6 | 0 | 6 |
106 | Greenwood Swimmi | East | 6 | 6 | 0 |
107 | York YMCA-MA | East | 6 | 0 | 6 |
108 | North Carolina A-NC | East | 5 | 5 | 0 |
109 | Katy Aquatic Tea-GU | West | 4 | 4 | 0 |
110 | Empire KC Swim C | West | 4 | 0 | 4 |
111 | Team Pittsburgh- | East | 4 | 1 | 3 |
112 | First Colony Swi | West | 3 | 0 | 3 |
113 | Montverde Aquati | East | 3 | 0 | 3 |
114 | Pacific Swim-SI | West | 3 | 0 | 3 |
115 | Lake Oswego Swim-OR | West | 2 | 0 | 2 |
116 | Manchester Makos | East | 2 | 2 | 0 |
117 | South Shore Sail | West | 2 | 2 | 0 |
118 | Mississippi Mako | East | 2 | 2 | 0 |
119 | Wolverine Aquati | West | 2 | 0 | 2 |
120 | Y-Spartaquatics- | East | 2 | 0 | 2 |
121 | Grand Traverse-M | East | 2 | 2 | 0 |
122 | Clovis Swim Club | West | 1.5 | 0 | 1.5 |
123 | Sharks Swim Club | West | 1 | 0 | 1 |
124 | Santa Clara Swim | West | 1 | 0 | 1 |
125 | Metro Area Life- | East | 1 | 0 | 1 |
126 | Greater Kalamazo | East | 1 | 1 | 0 |
Which individual won the high point? Which was the race of the meet or the most impressive record broken?
In the East anyway, there were a lot more boys heats in every event than girls heats. In the past, it seems there were more girls heats. Is this correct?
I didn’t run a formal analysis, but I spot-checked a few events from the last few years, and there were more boys than girls in every one I clicked on.
Gaps seem to be a little bigger post-pandemic, but IDK if that’s statistically significant.
east rules west sucks
So how many (and which ones) pools can handle this meet? What are the options and does the meet size need to be altered at all for those options?
Westmont has the same amount of indoor pool space as the University of Texas, for example.
Should two 50 meter courses be the standard? Gets pretty limiting. Should the meets shrink? There’s been some conversation about splitting into a third meet.
I liked the three Juniors back in the day. Summer Juniors should split also. But the number of ‘championship’ meets in the summer is ridiculous
UC Austin’s facility has higher ceilings, warmup pool is bigger and in the same room, which provides better air circulation. They have enough room so kids can sit on pool deck , but Westmont has limited space that kids can’t sit on pool deck. They have lower ceilings, warmup pool in different room with only 8 lanes. Very low ceiling in warmup pool area. Many kids were coughing and tearing because of the high chlorine level. More than dozen of California kids threw up during meets. Some passed out and scratched the events. It was rough for kids who practice outdoors year round. UC Austin pool is much better pool!
No third meet! Make cuts faster
You need a50mx25yd pill plus warm down. Probably 40+ pools could host. One problem for West is avoiding altitude
NCAP not as relevant as when they had Barrowman, Santos, and Dolan… in 1985 LOL thank you for that context.
And the west coast kids who train outdoors had a tough time with air quality in Westmont
I meant combine Crow 462. Women at 437.
Crow women had 462 points, not 264.