We’ve done a lot of projections of conference meets based on in season times, (D1 big conferences, D1 small conferences, D2, D3 part 1,... Current photo via Tim Binning/TheSwimPictures.com
We’ve done a lot of projections of conference meets based on in season times, (D1 big conferences, D1 small conferences, D2, D3 part 1, D3 part 2) but haven’t really quantified how reliable those projections are.
Swimulator has two methods for scoring out a conference meet, using swimmer’s best time so far this season or a swimmer’s average time in each event so far this season. How does each perform? Which is better? To answer this I looked at 10 D1 men’s conferences and compared the Swimulator scores last season through 1/24/16 for the average and top times to the actual scores at conference meets (which include diving, so there’s some unaccounted for variance).
The average times performed a bit better (though both methods performed pretty well). A regression of average time scores on actual scores gives an R^2 of .85; whereas, a regression of top time scores on actual scores give an R^2 of .79 (R^2 is the % of variance in the data accounted for in the regression). I also compared team’s places with each projection method to their actual place. Average time was again a bit better with and average place miss of 1.1 with a standard deviation of 1.1 vs an average place miss of 1.2 with a standard deviation of 1.1 for top times.
Top Times vs Actual Score
Average Times vs Actual Score
Here is the conference level data I used:
ACC
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
NC State
1056
1229
1401
Louisville
1162
945
1067
UNC
606
934
897
Virginia Tech
517
594
892
Georgia Tech
681
598
776
Virginia
787
734
737
Notre Dame
436
459
677
Duke
668
771
643
Florida St
738
505
606
Pittsburgh
449
338
345
Boston College
206
199
192
Atlantic 10
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Massachusetts
767
580
671
St. Bonaventure
364
328
482
La Salle
465
482
473.5
St. Louis
326
286
457.5
GW
221
266
398
George Mason
330
460
396
Davidson
341
362
371
Fordham
271
321
165
Big East
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Xavier
744
783
832
Georgetown
616
618
781
Seton Hall
693
706
672.5
Villanova
465
474
469
Providence
286
220
196.5
Big 10
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Michigan
1089
1348
1475
Indiana
1261
1113
1304
Ohio St
934
777
1293
Minnesota
498
603
919
Wisconsin
947
982
832
Purdue
630
641
725
Iowa
689
638
515
Northwestern
282
307
462
Penn St
351
326
357
Michigan St
431
377
230
Horizon
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Oakland
800
771
840
Cleveland St
597
443
597.5
Wright State
484
568
585
Illinois-Chicago
297
333
399
Wis.- Milwaukee
477
473
382.5
Wis.- Green Bay
310
374
366
Valparaiso
0
3
153
Ivy
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Princeton
1243
1126
1520.5
Harvard
1123
1290
1499
Penn
1379
1362
1213.5
Yale
740
791
836
Cornell
545
474
790
Columbia
469
486
786.5
Brown
752
753
672
Dartmouth
525
494
491.5
Pac 12
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Stanford
524
679
808
Southern Cali
398
415
700
California
770
706
628
Arizona
633
529
569
Arizona St
269
326
402
Utah
491
430
295
SEC
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Auburn
923
1036
1223
Georgia
1069
1120
1010
Alabama
864
858
915
Florida
1074
889
909
Missouri
904
689
901
Tennessee
598
649
745
South Carolina
540
600
574
Texas A&M
393
440
532
Kentucky
286
381
530
LSU
495
484
526
Patriot
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
U.S. Navy
880
862
951
Army
691
686
650
Boston U
406
434
487
Bucknell
365
393
469
Loyola (MD)
266
247
300
Lehigh
201
252
249
Colgate
225
141
172
Lafayette
7
20
157
Holy Cross
98
95
100
American
146
155
99
WAC
Top Times as of 1/24/16
Average Times as of 1/24/16
Actual Score (w/ diving)
Air Force
764
682
717
Wyoming
579
677
690
Grand Canyon
653
611
650
UNLV
348
335
578
North Dakota
317
277
344
CSUB
258
313
309
Seattle U
142
166
183
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YoungFish11
7 years ago
So, essentially this article speaks on the averages of the “top times” vs. “average times”? Hard to validate without knowing how much rest (shaving,suits,etc.) were used for the “top times.” Since most teams don’t fully taper for mid-season meets, those “top times” don’t really show the full story. So i can see why the “average times” are more reliable at this time of the season.
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So, essentially this article speaks on the averages of the “top times” vs. “average times”? Hard to validate without knowing how much rest (shaving,suits,etc.) were used for the “top times.” Since most teams don’t fully taper for mid-season meets, those “top times” don’t really show the full story. So i can see why the “average times” are more reliable at this time of the season.
Horizon League is missing Youngstown State.
I believe this is the men’s data